could there be sharks in the great lakes?
we finally broke down and got cable or whatever it's called. it's great. however there are lots of channels and it's difficult to chose one because there are lots of things to watch. i guess we could dvr them and i need to get into doing that.
anyway, this week was shark week on the discovery channel. i caught it halfway through but still got to watch some interesting shows.
i was flipping through the other night and saw the title "the 10 most dangeroud sharks." great marketing title. i immediately flipped to it. i caught the last 10 minutes of it. but they were the 10 minutes that defined whether or not i get back in lake michigan.
the top three most dangerous sharks, according to the show, were" no. 3, the tiger shark, no. 2, the white shark, and no 1, the bull shark.
i, too was surprised by the top choice. there are reasons for it. the bull shark is in areas where there are lots of people. here's where i freaked a bit. the bull shark is the only fish that can live in fresh and salt waters. it can live in fresh water for up to four years. WHOA!!!
i had been falling asleep but this caught my attention.
i look out at the lake and see a vast body of water. to me, it looks like an ocean. oceans equal sharks. so i imagine there are sharks out in the lake.
the bull shark has been spotted 2,000 miles inland up the amazon river. also, they travel up 50 or so miles up a river in australia. they give birth up there. the baby sharks live there and then swim out to the ocean.
that freaked me out. bull sharks are no white sharks. they're eight feet long. still, they have sharp teeth and cna kill.
as i'm watching this show, i'm thinking the bull shark can make its way up lake erie, huron, throught ehstraits and into beautiful lake michigan. WHOA!!
i went to sleep with this stuck in my head.
the following morning i'm relaying the information to dawn. she listens, fascinated by the bull shark's ability to live in fresh water. then i tell her my theory of th bull shark living in lake michigan.
she dismissed it. she said the great lakes are too cold for sharks to live in the waters of the lakes.
though she's probably right, i countered with another theory: maybe the sharks have adapted to living in colder waters. they are warm-blooded fish.
so i don't know. all i do know is that i look at the big lake with new skepticism. and i little bit of fright.
"we're gonna need a bigger boat."
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thhat is scary me and my sister always tell my paents that there are sharks in fresh water lakes like lake erie but they never belive itbut im determand 2 convince them otherwise
11:29 PM
Sharks have been reported coming up the Erie canal I am pretty sure. This to me is a bit freaky. Though it would take some amount of years for them to get to Lake Michigan (where i practically grew up during the summer months), I cant help but think what kind of impact this would have not only on the relative safe feeling of swimming in Lake Michigan, but what it would do to the local species and ecosystem already in the lake.
When I was growing up swimming in the lake, the thought of pike always scared me, but then they are a deep water fish that generally will stay away from people. Bull sharks are a completely different story. Aggressive, shallow water fish that (to a fully grown one) would look at a 4 year old child floating in the shallows and see a bite sized snack.
I'm still a few years off of having kids of my own but the thought still worries me.
And then on top of it all you hear bullshit like these people finding one in the Mississippi river in freakin Illinois and letting it go to see where it goes from there. I'm sorry, but that is unacceptable. Completely unacceptable. Kill it or take it back to salt water. The DNR thinks the semi-invasive species of regular fish we have right now are a problem, just wait til we have sharks swimming in the waters of the great lakes. These people need to open their eyes and see the bigger picture before deciding that letting them invade the lakes is a good idea.
Sorry for ranting, didn't mean to do that on your blog o.O It is just a topic that really erks me the wrong way.
2:59 AM
That's my motto....
We're goona need a bigger boat
I'm from Michigan, I'm afraid of sharks. I always say that you can't see ALL of the water at the SAME TIME, so you don't know. I hate swimming in the water, even in Michigan. I hear the Jaws movie music in my head. My friends laugh, but you just never know.....
4:40 PM
wow the other anonymous person is ignorant, why would you kill it, why would it be a problem, i grew up on the beach and saw sharks weekly, they are not a threat, we dont live in a jaws movie asshole, odds are more likely you will get hit by lighting.
I now live on lake erie in the state of ohio, i have seen many fish in the water(which whom i peacefully share the lake with), and have yet to see a shark, it seems possible, but not a possible problem.
you fucking mid American KOOK!
1:47 PM
If you do a bit of research, you will see that there was an attack by a Bull shark in Lake Michigan in 1955.
The shark was a female who was 6 feet 9 inches in length and over 300 lbs.
It was verified by University of Illinois biologists.
Look at the section that reads "invasive species"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Lakes
10:12 AM
You are FAR more likely to be killed driving to the beach.
That being said, the shark would most likely come up the Mississippi River and get into the great leakes near Chicago by way of the Illinois River and the canals to Lake Michigan. Bull Sharks have been caught off the Illinois shore on the Mississippi river.
Bull sharks don't live in the far north part of the ocean where the St. Lawrence River meets the Atlantic.
So I would guess that Chicago would be the most "dangerous" part of the Great Lakes.
12:20 AM
actually there have been bull sharks in lake michigan!!! in 1955 a man swimming by chicago lost his leg to a 6 ft 9 in over 300lbs bull shark in lake michigan its true google it!!!!
3:34 PM
Sharks do live in the st. lawerence river just for your information this is a fact. Whales and sharks are seen regularly in the st. lawerence
8:30 PM
Coconuts kill around 150 people worldwide each year, which makes them about ten times more dangerous than sharks! Why would you say you would kill one? That is just ignorant
8:37 PM
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DOG SHARK
Size: Average 1.2m
Weight: 12 to 50kg
Food Sources: lobsters, shrimp, and crabs, as well as small fish and mollusks
Habitat: bays, and other inshore waters of depths to 18m
Locations: Worldwide
Interesting Facts: Mainly a scavengar, but occasionally predator
THRESHER SHARK
Size: 3 to 7.6m (depending on type)
Weight: Up to 348kg
Food Sources: Mainly schooling fish (such as bluefish, juvenile tuna, and mackerel)
Habitat: Inshore and continental shelves
Locations: Worldwide
Interesting Facts: Does not attack humans, however divers have been hit with the upper tail lobe
sANDBAR SHARKS
Size: Males 6ft, females 7 to 8ft
Weight: Unknown
Food Sources: finfish rays, bottom dwelling animals, seabirds and turtles
Habitat: Coastal waters
Locations: Worldwide
Interesting Facts: Its dorsal fin is triangular and very high, and weighs as much as 18% of the shark's whole body
LEMON SHARK
Size: 1.5 to 2m
Weight: Up to 180kg
Food Sources: crustaceans, octopuses, stingrays, guitarfish, cowfish, seabirds
Habitat: shallow water, grassflats, reefs
Locations: Worldwide
Interesting Facts: Has the best eye sight of all shark species
PORBEAGLE SHARK
Size: 3.7 m (12 feet)
Weight: 160-250 Kg (350-550 pounds)
Food Sources: bony fish like mackerel, herring lancetfish and sauries
Habitat: Coastal waters up to 700m
Locations: Spead worldwide
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GREENLAND SHARK
Size: 8ft to 14ft (21ft longest ever measured)
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Food Sources: Fish, seals and carrion
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BULLSHARK
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Weight: 230 kg (507 lb)
Food Sources: Almost anything. mainly rays, turtles and birds
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Interesting Facts: Can swim in fresh water, very aggressive due to the highest testosterone levels found in an animal
BASKING SHARK
Size: Up to 50 feet (32 feet typical)
Weight: 4 to 6 tonnes
Food Sources: Plankton, seaweed and small fish
Habitat: Open water, Feed in shallow waters
Locations: Worldwide
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8:54 PM
8-5-09 Was at lake fort cobb in oklahoma this past week. I am very open that ther could be sharks in any lake, reason we reasantly had some fish out grow our tank could not find any one to take them not even for free. Then it was on the news about a man cathing a perana in one of our lakes. I met the guy who said he let his 2 peranas go in the lake they out grew his tank. tell me all you sceptects were do people put ther fish when they out grow ther tanks at home? My daughter felt something swimming around her legs in circles she saw a small fin she sawm for the boat and it followed her, her causin experinsed the same thing. Do not tell me it cant happen there could be any type of fish, they may not survive long but it can happen.
12:23 AM
I'm watching Shark Week 2009 and came across this post.
Half of Lake Michigan freezes in the winter (you can see the ice barge from space) IF a bull shark made it to the great lakes I doubt very much it could survive the cold. Even warm blooded humans can't.
11:15 PM
Doods I sooo afraid of the sharks. I ride my Seadoo in Lake Erie and who knows whats in der? Could be a sharks in der with da big teeth. Unless you can drain dat lake aint nobody gonna convince me der aint at least one. I can just imagine seein a shark with da big teeth and blowin mud in my pants right der. Fuuuck! Im read about the cocnuts attacking tho and that sounds scary too. Im gonna sticks to ridin in da Cuyahoga river aint nothin able to lives in der! Go Bucks!
3:13 PM
I'll accept the possibility of a shark in Lake Ontario. Even the possibility that a released pet shark briefly survives in one of the other Great Lakes. But how could a full grown and dangerous shark come into the Lakes other than Ontario via the St. Lawrence? It would have to levitate past Niagara Falls. While I've seen footage of jumping great white sharks, I've never heard of flying sharks.
4:00 PM
how do you think ships get from the ocean into the great lakes?? levitate over niagra falls ???
10:25 PM
I BELIEVE THAT BULL SHARKS ARE SWIMMING IN THE GREAT LAKES, MICHIGAN AND THE OTHER MAIN GREAT LAKES. THEY FOUND A WAY TO MAKE IT HERE AND MANAGE TO STAY ALIVE, SO IF YOU GO INTO LAKE MICHIGAN, PLEASE BE EXTRA CAREFUL, THEY ARE MAN EATING PREDATORS AND IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU'RE SWIMMING, FISHING, OR JUST WADING IN THE WATER...
6:41 PM
According to the Ontario Fish and Wildlife, bull sharks adapted to fresh water about 15 years ago and have been spotted in Lake Ontario. A 6 foot, approximately 400 pound bull shark was spotted swimming in Jordan Harbour, about 10 years ago.
8:13 PM
Here's some facts that some people are being misled by:
YES, coconuts kill more people a year compaired to sharks but not because they are attacking or falling from their tree. Some people are alergic to them and don't realise it until its already been ingested or applied on their skin through tanning oil or whatnot.
There is a great POSSIBILITY that there are sharks in the great lakes. Niagra Falls isnot theonly way to gain access to them. There are some questionable people who think its cool to transport exotic(or just dangerous) species to places they do not originate from.
And lastly, if bull sharks are in the great lakes, (not to scare anyone further) you could be in trouble. Researchers have studied bullsharks and concluded that they are prone to violence even if not confronted. They like to stick towards shallow waters (were most people like to wade) and there is also the fact that 80-90% (i don'tknow the exact numbers) of bullshark attacks happen in water that is no deeper than up to your belly.
Take to fact that these points are not meant to scare people, but just to inform them and guide them away from what could possibly be lies. If you do not believe what i have typed here, you are free to do whatever research on the bullshark. What you find just might surprise you.
10:58 PM
It is very possible for bull sharks to get to lake erie, they have been seen and captured in the mississippi river. They have the ability to sense salt levels and they have a gland that can hold or release salt as needed and that is how they survive in fresh water. They go into fresh water mainly to feed (they also come to breed) and as lon as there is a high supply of other fish and little compatition they will not bother
9:43 PM
It is very possible for bull sharks to get to lake erie, they have been seen and captured in the mississippi river. They have the ability to sense salt levels and they have a gland that can hold or release salt as needed and that is how they survive in fresh water. They go into fresh water mainly to feed (they also come to breed) and as long as there is a large supply of other fish and little competition they will not bother
9:45 PM
wow ok well next time i go to michigan i know.. (that means im never gettin in that lake water again!!!) i love michigan but too much posion ivy and im guessing its a little cold in the winter...
2:21 AM
In my hand I hold half the answer! 3 or 4 years ago I went camping with my gf (Yvette) to The Pinery on Lake Huron. I found a fossilized shark tooth and still have it in a plastic bag here. It is at least 99% a shark tooth in my humble opinion. Only about half an inch long, almost as wide, very thick. The part formerly embedded in the gum is darker grey. I'd put up a pic but can't right now. Should I take it to a museum or university you think?
10:40 AM
You probably have a greater chance of a shark jumping on your frikin boat hahaha :)
9:54 PM
i too grew up on the shores of the lakes (Ontario us side)summers are warmer then ever and there is more then plenty food for them im. sure if not bull sharks there could still be an undiscovered type of bull shark that can survive in the cold of the Nordic like(or adapted) states of the great lakes history has proven that creatures are in areas nobody thinks they can survive (or just have not moved in to the area) such as officials deny there being black cats (or any lion cats) on the east coast thats why i think they try to cover up there being any sharks in the lakes i will swim in the lakes ever again
6:57 PM
There's NO sharks in the great lakes. So that "Shark Tooth" isn't a real shark's tooth!!!
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2:48 PM
Your right about that attack in chicago and there was also a baby shark caught by Grand Traverse bay back in the late 1980's. And the Discover channel had a diver find a Greenland shark in lake erie just last year. So living here on lake huron... ANYTHING is POSSIBLE and bull sharks have proven biologists wrong time and time again. And to the other person about pike? They have attacked people in the past, just ask the ones missing toes!.
1:10 AM
hey i live in nova scotia ive caught sharks an believe there very well could be sharks in the lakes they adapt quite well to cold water
10:26 PM
The community I live in has a great pier and allows many access out into Lake Erie. I cannot tell you how many people have asked me about the possibility of sharks in the lake. The best answer I have been able to come up with is that it would be difficult for a shark to make it through the series of locks in the St. Lawrence River. I do regret telling a many that the uphill swim at Niagara Falls is a bit of a doozie.
11:24 PM
As a shark fisherman i know that sharks do live in the colder regions,the salmon shark lives up in Alaska.I do live in central NY(Near Lake Ontario). Therotically it could,not likley but animals are weird amd not predictable. but what do i know i am only 16?
5:25 PM
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1:34 PM
I live by Lake Superior (the Canadian side) and my friends always told me to watch out of Bull sharks when I go swimming, I would just laugh it off and go anyways. But one of my friends went boating with her boyfriend on Aug 4th (2010, and when they were stoped, something big hit there motor and almost knocked it right off the boat (They weren't neat any underwater rock or sandbars). When they were docking, some swimmers (they were 30-35 years old) said they saw a shark 3 meters (9 feet) out. So I guess there maybe sharks in the Great Lakes. But I like to think it's too cold and too litte food for a Bull sharks family (or whatever it's called). Anyways.... Happy Swimmings!
2:08 PM
After reading through comments I felt I should address a few. One as far as it being to cold could be true. Still they can adapt look at all the fish that live there so how can you say impossible? Two I have lived on lake Erie for years and the biggest fear I would have of it would he the pollution of the water. Three I'm sure at some point there have been sharks in the lake. But as people have said its probably from being released and they didn't survive long. Four to the dude with the tooth keep its probably a shark tooth. For those who don't know the great lakes were once one and an ocean. Detroit has many salt mines where ancient coral reefs slowly filtered the salt as the water retreated forming the great lakes. Look that up if you don't believe me. It's why you find old coral washed up on shore once in a while.
Really I'm sure one day some shark will adapt to the lakes or evolve from a current fish. Maybe they are now. Maybe we can even have fresh water dolphins its all really unlikely that any of this will happen in out time.
8:36 AM
Very informative. I never thought about whether or not sharks lived in the great lakes. Well now I know. Thanks for the post.
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12:56 AM
Im not sure what kind of shark it was but the canadian government release 4 mating pairs of small sharks go in lake superior to fight against the asian carp because the american government was going to and decided not to what about them has every one forgotten about them?
2:02 AM
My Mom told me about this but I didn't believe her. Now I do! Would it be possible for the cold lake water to mix with the warmer river water so the shark could adjust? Sharks have been around for so long, and are really resilient so there is no reason why they couldn't figure out a way into our Lakes.
10:51 AM
How can bull sharks can survive in icy fresh water?
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